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    Default JoeFM.net KJIB-LP 87.9 FM

    And the question is...Is it LEGAL or NOT???

    The perpetrator in question is none other than the broadcast station from Clear Lake TX, a stones throw from Houston, calling themselves JoeFM. They are currently operating on 87.9 fm, which the FCC engineer in charge of investigating the station's equipment some time back, would not pursue it because, ahem, it was above his *pay grade*. Joe FM is not authorized to be operating on 87.9 but....well, you can read their history and controversy here....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KJIB-LP

    And if you care to check them out, here is their website, which includes a link to listen to them llve...
    http://879joefm.weebly.com/

    I have tried finding any documents for them through a FCC search or using the FCCInfo website and both come up empty.

    I have included their legal TOH id, which I snagged from their online stream at 8 AM on Friday, July 28, 2017.
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    Jim Thomas
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    Hey....Joe himself will tell you it's legal!

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    I still can't find anything authorized anywhere near Houston for operation on channel 6. KIPS has an application to move *towards* Houston, with a noise-limited (optimistic) coverage area that probably includes part of Houston - but that's still digital.

    An argument can be made that audio on 87.9 under an analog channel 6 LPTV license is legal. (many of the rules that applied to analog full-power stations are arguably not applicable to LPTV stations) But there has to be an underlying permit. I don't even see a digital permit for channel 6 in Houston. (again, there's the KIPS *application* that might arguably serve part of Houston - but again, that's an *application*, and it's digital.)

    There's nothing in the FCC rules that say you can't put up a website and stream that *claim* you're broadcasting on 87.9, as long as you don't actually put up that FM signal. The Texas Attorney General or Department of Consumer Protection might have a problem but the FCC won't.
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    Doug:

    In a similar vein, do you know the deal behind this, below? This seems like a similar situation. I am a bit skittish to call them....

    http://forums.wtfda.org/showthread.p...hlight=Pantera

    Oh.... and do you all remember how ch 6 Schenectady tried to pull off 87.9 analog audio over seven years ago (while running DT 6)? FCC said nope. I was able to catch that one time in '09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w9wi View Post
    There's nothing in the FCC rules that say you can't put up a website and stream that *claim* you're broadcasting on 87.9, as long as you don't actually put up that FM signal. The Texas Attorney General or Department of Consumer Protection might have a problem but the FCC won't.
    However, JoeFM has been logged in Florida and Ontario now, via Es. And how are they classified? TV or FM? And if the FCC doesn't have any supporting documentation for them operating on 87.9 MHz, are they technically a pirate radio station, even though they are giving a TOH id? Can't figure out how a broadcast facility owner can *push* the FCC around.
    Jim Thomas
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd637299 View Post
    Hey....Joe himself will tell you it's legal!

    cd
    Yup!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Thomas View Post
    However, JoeFM has been logged in Florida and Ontario now, via Es. And how are they classified? TV or FM? And if the FCC doesn't have any supporting documentation for them operating on 87.9 MHz, are they technically a pirate radio station, even though they are giving a TOH id? Can't figure out how a broadcast facility owner can *push* the FCC around.
    Not "pushing" the FCC around, Jim. Just standing up for what is right. I used to run New Beginnings Houston, a ministry in Houston that helps the homeless. We were all but guaranteed an LPFM license by the Local Community Radio Act, and have an application for 106.1 that to this day remains "pending" in the the FCC's filing system. In 2013, we withdrew the application from consideration because of an offer.

    A broadcaster named "Bob Morrow" had a lease on a 106.7 Simonton, TX translator he wanted to move into Houston on 106.1. Our LPFM application was blocking him. He had a friend named Roy Henderson with two dark (but still valid) analog LPTV licenses for channel 5 and 25. Said he could get us authorization to build and operate these stations if we pulled our LPFM, thus letting him get his translator into Houston. Said he could get the channel 5 license modified to channel 6, thus allowing us to operate as a franken FM on 87.7. He put me in touch with Mr. Henderson's lawyer, who gave approval conditioned upon our ministry building and operating the stations at our own expense. Mr. Henderson, upon discovering what happened, surrendered the licenses and they were cancelled.

    We found out later that the lawyer was actually Mr. Henderson's former lawyer, and that Mr. Henderson apparently didn't know anything about it. We also found out that "Bob Morrow" was actually Don Werlinger, a well-known unscrupulous character. In the early 1990s, the FCC found he lacked the moral character to hold a broadcast license. http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Ma.../nrmm8013.html

    After our ministry notified the actual licensee of the 106.1 translator, they cancelled the lease and ordered Werlinger to cease operations. Our ministry also made numerous complaints to the FCC; including that Werlinger, using the Morrow alias, had illegally prepared dozens of engineering studies for other broadcast entities and continued to exercise control over broadcast stations. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B38...ew?usp=sharing It is my understanding that the government was preparing to criminally charge Mr. Werlinger, but he suddenly passed away. http://www.memorialoakschapel.com/home/obituary/4130605

    I have repeatedly traveled to Washington to personally meet with top ranking FCC officials. They are sympathetic to the situation, and have repeatedly encouraged us to sue Mr. Henderson and Mr. Werlinger. But, as far as our withdrawn LPFM application, they say there is no way it can be reinstated until the next LPFM filing window -- whenever that may be. The FCC attorney all but guaranteed us our 2013 application will be first in line at the next LPFM window. Problem with that, however, is the recent AM translator window. Every usable frequency in Houston is now occupied; hence, there is nothing left to apply for. As far as the LPTV licenses that Roy Henderson surrendered, the 30 day time limit to reinstate them has also passed. The FCC says the licenses are gone -- PERIOD!

    The FCC then threw this dog a bone. They said if we resumed operations, unless we are interfering with another licensed broadcaster or broadcasting pornographic images, no enforcement action will be taken. We have kept our end of the deal: when a new LPTV moved into Houston on Channel 5, we relocated to channel 6. When a digital channel 6 in Beaumont got an STA authorization to operate analog, we moved our audio from 87.7 to 87.9. The transmitter output is a mere 100 watts into a J-Pole at approximately 249 feet. The only reason that signal gets out so well in the skips is because there is almost nobody else using the channel.

    We are also on TV channel 38.9 KZHO-LD, operating with 15 kW.

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